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Let me start off this journal by saying THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO ALL PIRIHON FANS. So don't take this message to be directed at you in particular. You'll know if it's being directed at you, I'm sure.

And this is my message:

Okay, so there's a significant enough portion of PiriHon fans that also like to hate on Taiwan and the pairing of Japan/Taiwan. I see fanworks that deliberately bash on Taiwan and make the Japan/Taiwan ship look horrible, just so their precious PiriHon looks *~so much better~* in comparison.



Yeah. STOP. Why you should stop:

1. Taiwan is a fantastic character and isn't a 'horrible bitch rival for Japan's affections'! She doesn't even have a canon crush on Japan anyway, she's about as much a ship rival as America or England, heck, less so, Ameripan and AsaKiku have a lot more canon interactions. Seriously, the basis for targeting this character for hate is pathetic. 100% pathetic. Grow a pair.

2. Bashing a character or ship does not make your ship look any better in comparison. Seriously, you're being as bad as say, the Spamano fans that hate on Belgium, or the FrUk/USUK fans that hate on Seychelles. You are.

3. In fact, it's making you and your ship look bad! Guess what? I really wanted to get on board with PiriHon and believe me, I tried, but then I see the side of the PiriHon fandom that is hating on mah gurl Taiwan and I just, I despise that side of the PiriHon fandom so much. I can't ship PiriHon as anything more than friends now, I can't go any further than that.

4. You are free to dislike Taiwan and Japan/Taiwan, but making characters OOC or whining about it is not going to give you any medals or anything. Seriously? What are you gaining out of hating on Taiwan or Japan/Taiwan or whoever? Tell me, I'd love to know what makes you feel so A+++++ about that sort of behaviour.

5. btw it makes your Philippines OC look really bad too, like woooowww what an amazingly sugoi character being in a bitchy rivalry with taiwan oh wowwwwwwww desu desu

6. and guess what, you're making the PiriHon shippers that don't hate on Taiwan get lumped in with bad seeds - I know not every PiriHon fan behaves this way, but I've seen enough of this behaviour that I just wanted to get this message out there because lol, if I don't say it, who will?

7. in fact it's this sort of behaviour that makes people hate on the APH OC fandom in general - hating on characters for 'interfering' with their kawaii OC/Canon ships - thanks for making everyone look bad, you little shit

Anyway I've been wanting to say this shit for a while now and why yes, yes I am being harsh

but it needs to be said

YOU DO NO ONE ANY FAVOURS WITH THIS BEHAVIOUR.


by the way, no I am not going to bring up direct examples of this dumbfuckery, but it's out there, believe me
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HoneyBeeGirl94 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
No one misses with my Taiwan! Pinkie Pie Squint  If they do then they'll have to deal with me! MLP:Evil fluttershy  So let me keep on loving! Pinkie Pie Haters gonna hate 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
exactly. 8I I love Taiwan to bits and I honestly can't get behind a ship where so many of its fans ridicule her. u___u
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HoneyBeeGirl94 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
Indeed! ;A;
I personally see Taiwan and Japan as best bros, then lovers. Because I just can't see Japan being in a romantic relationship with anyone or at least Taiwan not being his type. I see him going for someone that's more confident and strong like Fem America or Fem Italy or someone equally as mature as him like Vietnam or someone that acts as traditional feminine and loyal house wife material, like Liechtenstein. 
While Taiwan goes for someone that's equally as out going as her, but also boosts up her confidence like America or someone that will bluntly tell that to calm down, while being just as mischievous as she, like Hong Kong.

For Philippines, your Philippines oc is the one that I like so far and is at least not turned into some shipping magnet like every other Philippines oc.
It makes me wonder if Hetalia had a official Philippines and was a girl. Would the fans go ten times more overboard with her by treating her like Kagome from Inuyasha where they pair her with various characters from other anime series. 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
...Hum... I love Japan/Taiwan the most of all my various Taiwan ships (tho i love them almost all equally??), so I disagree on some points... but Taiwan's my bicycle as you may have noticed in my ship list, rofl-- (srsly I love her hardcore with Japan, America, Hong Kong, Romano, Russia, Netherlands, Portugal OOPS) -- I won't go into the full spiel though because I'm trying to do some work but um, I love Japan/Taiwan heaps and I have my reasons for viewing them in a special way.

And aahh thanks. TBH I know it sounds mean but I hope that canon Philippines is a boy so I don't have to see this poor girl get automatically dubbed Maria Clara de la Cruz (which i have reasons for being anti that name choice VALID I PROMISE YOU) and get shipped with the world. While the male Philippines would get shipped a ton, at least I'm less likely to get shoved with all the terrible ships lmao. Srsly, so many people misunderstand the flaws in ALL of the PH ships, so once PH becomes canon, the fandom will flood with even more ignorance.

Again, I know it sounds mean, but honestly, I can't help but feel that way?? I mean, I'll be happy for the PH fandom who wanted their country canon, but I've had Maricela for around 4 years and care way too much about her, ahaha. I'll never let her go.
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HoneyBeeGirl94 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
It's okay if you ship it! :D
I just go with it when people talk about their ships, except for LatLiech and SeaLiech. Those ships I detest in so many levels. 

I know how you. I hate the fanon name for Liechtenstein (along with many fanon things about her). Marina seems to be overused as a name and personally I see that the name Maria fits a another Fem oc country along with the name Lilli, neither of them give me the image of Philippines or Liechtenstein when I hear them. 
I don't see any Belarus and Latvia Hetalia fans going overboard with their shipping their countries with everyone. 

Maricela is pretty much like you're own child (Though if she was real and actually represented the actual Philippines, then it would be slightly in the reverse XD) along with your other ocs. I'm not surprised if you said that. :D
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
lmao, my shiplist already mentions the ships that are just NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE, like srsly I have nothing nice to say about some of them, so all I say is 'yeah um me no likey' cuz I don't want to insult another person's ships in front of them??

Oh, I dislike Lilli as her name. My personal Liech headcanon name is Erica Vogel. Erica's a cute name that also sounds more mature too, it combines the two things I see in Liechtenstein. And um, the problem with Maria Clara is that it references the Noli me Tangere novel character, and the character is very weak and submissive and has her life defined by men basically. That's not the right image to be projecting onto a PH OC, that's why I detest that name choice. u__u

tbh Latvia fandom is hella chill I like them. and i got some latvians into latvia/kosovo which is good fun//slapped -- most of Belarus' multishippers (myself included) aren't actually Belarusians, I've noticed. o3o

ALL MY OCS ARE MY CHILDREN OK. Which is why I'm still using my Luxbutt even though there is a canon Luxembourg. I work hard on my characters and I'm entitled to use them if I want, so yeah. XD
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HoneyBeeGirl94 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
Same! Respect the shippers. 

Eva, Elise, Erika/Erica (I like both, but I use Erika) and Sisia are fitting names for Liechtenstein while Vogel is indeed a pretty common surname in Liechtenstein. I hate Lilli Zwingli, to me it sounds like that Liechtenstein's a colony of Switzerland or a city of his, which is NOT! I'm pretty that in Liechtenstein's profile in her wiki page will tell you why Liechtenstein wouldn't take Zwingli her surname. (I personally see Switzerland and Liechtenstein being distent cousins or half related, because they do share some relation, too).
I remember seeing a comment like that one of Maaf series about Philippines's human. I've never read that said novel and probably never will. It sounds almost like a Twilight novel but only with a different scenario. 
Don't get me started on the terrible stereotype of Asian women are submissive (Asian men have small you know what). I hate it I keep seeing the terrible treatment that both Asian woman dating a foreign man or vice versa with Asian men and foreign woman. These are the kind of stereotype that I call offensive. I'm a German Greek American girl that hates it.

I've seen one Latvian Hetalia fan, but never spoke to her. I'm pretty sure that Latvians are pleased to hear that someone's paying attention to their country. :D
True indeed with Belarus. Though I've talked to a Belarusian Hetalia fan that loves LietBela. :D

They are amazing! 
Your Philippines and South Korea's relationship really reminds me of Sasha and Connie's relationship from AOT! 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
Vogel amuses me though, cuz it's the surname of my brother's girlfriend--//raughs (she's a Swiss-New Zealander, ahaha)

But I despise the Zwingli surname for her too. She ain't no colony, dammit.

And yeah um... Noli Me Tangere is a national icon and it helped inspire the Philippine Revolution... the thing is, you can't assert your modern views onto old novels like that. Twilight is bad because it's current and showing bad female representation... but Noli me Tangere is accurate to the values of the people back then, so you have to understand that the core values aren't always the same as your own. I've heard it's a very good novel, but when you read it with modern goggles, your opinion of it decreases in favour.

But yes, the submissive stereotype is bad. I see Philippines as being strong and determined, which is why I wanted to avoid naming her directly after the character. Maria Clara is seen as Inang Bayan though - her qualities aren't all that bad though. My Philippines' name is Maricela Clara, so I reference the character, but not fully, I still make Maricela my own.

Yeah, Latvia doesn't get enough attention tbph. 8U hardly anyone thinks deeply about his character... it's a shame.

lmao it's funny cuz I've had someone else say to me that KorPiri would be awesome in a crossover with AoT as Sasha and Connie... I actually have a picture stored where it's Maricela as Sasha... it's fab-- Maricela and Sasha do hold a lot of similarities...
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Filipinogirl14 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2014
I agree with you! I love PiriHon but I hate it when there's Taiwan bashing in every PiriHon! I love Taiwan too
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SilentGirl888 Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Dude, I love PiriHon shipping,and every single other shipping… but I ADORE the female characters more than any other because they are adorable and sweet and I may or may not have a lady crush on them even though I'm straight! When I see them, I am like Squee Bounce Oh, Olaf Junko Enoshima (Kawaii Blush) [V5], until I see all the hate they get, "EXO : Baekhyun Stare Oh, so you like Hetalia but hate the girls? G-Dragon GET OUT EMOTICON, you are no fan."
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014
Eh, I don't care if people hate a character, but there's a difference between dislike and actual character bashing. Like, I don't like PiriHon (I prefer it platonic, ahaha), but I'm not going out of my way to say rude shit about it or bash others for liking it. I'm just glad this sort of petty behaviour is decreasing. u_u
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LotusDragonof5000 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
THIS FANDOM. THIS FANDOM. OTL

What is WITH those rabid shippers?! I HATE it when people bash on the girls just because they get in the way of their ships! DX
Why can't they just GROW UP and realize that they're making a mistake?

To the sane fans, I feel really sorry for them. They can't enjoy a ship because of the brainless, supershipping retards.

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melonstyle Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
OTL IKR

at least it isn't so bad atm - who knows, maybe my journal made an impact? :iconheplz:
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LotusDragonof5000 Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
Well, since people respect and admire your work, that's a pretty good theory! :)
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Sayorii-chii Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
OMG YES! A JOURNAL THAT UNDERSTANDS THIS PROBLEM! When I first got to the Hetalia fandom and searched for Philippine OCs and came accross PiriHon and saw Taiwan being the bad guy I was like

:iconragefaceplz::iconkillitwithfireplz::iconsaysplz:"HOW DARE YOU DO DIS TO AN AWSOME CHARACTER" BUUUURRRRRN 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014
Yeeeaaaah. Sadly this behaviour has completed ruined the Pirihon ship for me, orz. Hell, actually it made me want to ship Japan/Taiwan even more, which I think was the opposite of what the people bashing it wanted? lmao

at least it seems as though more people get the point now. ^^
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Sayorii-chii Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
UHG! I Know. I really just cant stand it so I'll make le OC Phili be single. FOREVER! 





((she shall forever love Jose Rizal!)) :iconheplz:
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014
lmao yeah that's how I see my Philippines OC too-- she'll only ever get a partner in AU fanwork stuff//cackle


omg no phil/rizal ouch my feels fskjlgdfk ONE OF MY FEW COUNTRY/HUMAN SHIPS
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Sayorii-chii Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
FranceXJoan of Arc anyone?//shot
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014
mmm sometimes I go for it, but other times I question it--//runs
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Sayorii-chii Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*chases* IM COOL WITH DAT// flies away
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Mion-waffuchii Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm just lurking around on your page and i saw this journal and.. Bless this journal! I thought that i'm the only one who notice this! ;;w;; I read many PiriHon fanfics and most of the fanfics, they make Taiwan bad. 
I'm a PiriHon fan but i don't hate Taiwan and how should i hate her? Cuz she's mein fave Hetalia character and she's the reason why my mom got a good job in Taiwan :iconsniffplz:
I saw many Taiwan haters in facebook and they said that Taiwan is getting away of their OTP or whatever
sorryforthegrammarorz
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2014
Taiwan's one of my favourite characters too. But yeah, this sort of behaviour needs to stop. If you see more of the hate occur, feel free to link them to this journal. People need to see that their behaviour is wrong after all. I feel bad because it's behaviour like this that turned me off from PiriHon overall. I just can't be onboard a ship that's far too closely associated with character hate. :iconrazycryplz:

I'm glad to see you're not one of those haters though, so good for you. ^^
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Mion-waffuchii Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sure! I'll link it here! and i only wish that the other PiriHon fans should understand that it is bad to make Taiwan a bitchy rival

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SawaMegami-chan Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
I agree with you. I've been a pirihon fan recently and I have seen SOME sides of this fandom. It is saddening how some fans make Taiwan look like a total bitch in their stories(like how she bullies Piri-chan and so on) and I can't even continue to finish it. I actually feel ashamed that some(or most?) of the pirihon fans can be very disrespectful towards Taiwan even though she is just a character! I wish that all the hate and shipping wars would just stop!
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2013
Yeah, like wtf? I just can't get behind a ship if it's closely associated with the bashing of a character. I'm hoping it stops altogether. Taiwan's one of my favourites, I have an oc Philippines, but I would never turn them into bitchy love rivals. 8I
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
BLESS THIS POST 

THEY NEED TO LEARN FREAKING RESPECT IF THEY WANT RESPECT

THEY NEED TO LEARN THIS SCHIST

THEY NEED TO LEARN THAT TAIWAN IS A GREAT CHARACTER I MEAN SHE HAS THIS AWESOME MILK TEA SHOP AND IT'S FREAKING DELICIOUS


Sorry for one big-ass comment but I need it out of my lungs right now im so sorry
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2013
YES BUBBLE TEA IS REALLY GREAT--

but yes I'm glad you agree with me here ^^
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X-I-L2048 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh my GOD, seriously? DX I'm sick of shipping in this fandom sometimes, seriously. All fandoms have this problem to some extent, but this one has it BAD. I have nothing agains Pirihon, but please, for the love of pancakes, don't make Taiwan a bitch just to make your paring look better. Same with any character, male or female. It does nothing to endear me to you or the pairing if I see you vilifying a character for the shake of shipping. No. Just no. :iconstopplz:
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
Yeeeaaahhh, all your words EXACTLY. It's like, we already see enough of that shit from yaoi shippers hating on female characters, but oh my god, hate on a female character because she 'gets in the way of an oc/canon ship'???
WHAT THE HELL IS THE LOGIC

HIMA WAS NOT CREATING TAIWAN WHILST THINKING 'LET'S MAKE HER GET IN THE WAY OF JAPAN ROMANCING SOMEBODY'S OC, D'AWWWW'
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JustSomeRandomKidLol Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Not just for PiriHon, every pairing. :/ stahp ship hate pls
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
YEEEEEP PRETTY MUCH--
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NedCan Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I admit I kinda used to be like those people but I know better now. This kind of behaviour isn't going to make more people ship your ship, it'll only do the opposite. Like, I wanted to look into EngBel once but found some of their shippers putting down SpaBel, saying how EngBel is so much more ~historically accurate~. Like, no. If your ship really is that great then you don't need to bring down someone else's to make it look good.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
EngBel is a neat ship too, but if they think that hating on SpaBel does them any favours, it certainly does not. And your last statement is so true. I don't get why people think that being negative is going to help them? It just makes them look like a hateful person more than anything else.
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HetaliaEuropeLover Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Student General Artist
Yeah,i agree...But I'm...kinda one too.Don't hate me,I'm just angry with Seychelles because they pair her up with Canada or England sometimes.But it's more like  i hate the shippers than Seychelles.

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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
um

yeah don't get angry with Seychelles, she hasn't even done anything - there are so many characters who get paired with Canada or England anyway, so it would be stupid and a double standard to hate Seychelles and not anyone else for that sort of reason.
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HetaliaEuropeLover Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2013  Student General Artist
yeah,I know.That's why I'm trying to know more about her.
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PrinceFae Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
GOD BLESS THIS JOURNAL AND GOD BLESS YOU AMEN SISTER FUCKING PREACH THAT SHIT

I can't get on the ship because it's turned into a war ship that will never stop firing it's canons at Taiwan. Of course, this not apply to all PiriHon shippers. I just feel disappointed that PiriHon turned out that way.

BUT IN ALL HONESTY I THINK TAIWAN IS A PRETTY GREAT CHARACTER AND EQUALLY AS GREAT AS PHILIPPINES SOME PEOPLE WOULD JUST GROW SOME CHEST HAIRS AND STOP BEING FUCKTRUCK WAGONASSES FOR ONCE GOD DAMN IT.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
PREACHING IT ALL THE WAY, DAUGHTER

But good, I'm not the only one who had noticed this sort of behaviour. It's such a shame though, because PiriHon actually had some interesting potential, but once there was the stigma of hating on Taiwan attached to the ship, I really couldn't stand it anymore.

TAIWAN IS ONE OF MY FAVOURITE CHARACTERS TOO SO I GET SAD WHEN SHE GETS HATE, ESPECIALLY FOR STUPID REASONS SUCH AS FOR THE SAKE OF SHIPPING

like it is seriously such pathetic behaviour.
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Miistessa Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Omg this side of the pairing kills me-- isn't Taiwan and Philippines's relationship is, you know, tense? 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
yeah, it's already tense without dumbfuck fans acting as though they're bitchy kawaii rivals for love
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poi-rozen Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
okay that is uncall for. I personally avoid that side of the fandom. I love all the hetagirls and I personally don't like it when they deserve this hate for really dumb reasons, pairing reasons of all things. //sighs.// geez fandom--.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
the thing is that they don't deserve the hate at all. And yeah, the reasons I had already stated earlier - no favours for anyone. I'm just glad I don't mix with people who are constantly all HATE HATE HATE
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poi-rozen Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, same here I can't really hate anyone in Hetalia. It's really hard for me to do plus I don't see any reason to hate on any character. I seriously seen people hate on Ukraine for some dumb reasons, she a very nice lady and she doesn't deserve this hate. I'm pro-Ukraine here.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
wait omg who does Ukraine even cockblock, I don't even

SHE'S SUCH A SWEETHEART I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HATE
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poi-rozen Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
//sighs.// well people hate on female characters and people reasons for disliking Ukraine was because she hating on Russia and broke her which annoys me so much--.

SAME LIKE, WTF FANDOM!!!
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shouyo Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
that is one of the reasons i have given on this pairing. not only was it unpopular, some of its shippers are even terrible (like the ones who make taiwan like some bitch idk). i was even ashamed to call myself a fan of pirihon. i can't even the reputation of this pairing anymore W OW I'M OUT OF HERE

personally i've always disliked the japan/taiwan pairing but the anti-taiwan shet has to stop.
CHARACTER BASHING IN GENERAL GDI PEOPLE GROW UP PLEASE

thank you so much for pointing this one out.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
I kinda wish I said something sooner tbh, but idk if it would have made much of a difference. I just think it's really sad that a fandom can ruin a ship for someone just with ratty behaviour like that. PiriHon has a lot of potential, but when the fans of the ship itself feel the need to antagonise someone else or w/e over the ship, it doesn't help at all. I mean, you were honestly one of the best PiriHon shippers I'd met - I know you weren't a fan of Japan/Taiwan, but you didn't need to make such a huge point out of it, which is the way those shippers should have behaved.

Anti-Female Character shit's gotta stop more like I MEAN THE TREATMENT OUR BELOVED BELGIUM HAS RECEIVED OVER SHIPS >BUU

and you're welcome ^^
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shouyo Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
i tried to unsee and ignore these people but i can't, man ; _ ; so i was like NO DON'T LUMP ME WITH THEM /GETS THE FUCK OUT
but until this ship's fandom becomes peaceful and clean and happy like the rest of the other fandoms, i'm avoiding this pairing.

belbel has it hard jfc NO ONE BASHES ON MY BABY I WILL CUT THEM UP D<
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
I was like that with ships in other fandoms tbh. The ship was cute, but the way the fans behaved towards the female character/s who were linked to either one or both characters in the ship was just so disgusting that I had to abandon the ship because the bashing stigma was so prominent.

And I think it's such a shame when that happens too, because it's not the other pairing or character's fault, the fans are the ones ruining it. u___u

THANK GOD I SEE SO MUCH LESS OF IT NOW, I KNOW LOTS OF PRO-BELGIUM FANS NOW--
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