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Why is it that there's so many artworks that use '2P' Japan when it comes to fanart regarding World War Two? It really bugs me, because it's like people can't accept that Japan's 1P did those terrible things he did during the war. But in 'Axis Powers Hetalia', the main storyline is based around World War Two and we do see regular Japan and he is a part of the Axis Powers. That is the Japan Himaruya intended for the series, not 2P Japan, the original. 2P isn't even a canon thing, it's an AU and I don't get why people have to use the 2P whenever the country does something they're morally against.

Or what, whenever a country plans to do something bad, they have to bring in some kind of 'evil twin' to do it? What the actual fuck? Just because you don't agree with what a country has done, that doesn't mean the country has to be a 2P to have done it.

Yes, we all have gotten upset over bad things people in the country have done, but you've got to accept that there's bound to be a reason behind it. You don't have to agree with them, but their perspective is their own, and I firmly believe Japan had his reasons for doing what he did in WW2 - and I'm sick of people throwing in 2P Japan to do all the bad shit, just so that their regular Japan can remain some pure Gary Stu.

Also if 2P Japan is gonna be used for 'darker Hetalia', then why isn't everyone else in the war suddenly a 2P? Why is it only a select few characters? I mean, all who fought in WW2 were enemies to one another and they had their reasons and their perspectives for doing what they did. Why is it that some characters get demonized in wars and not others? Just because you believe one side is more the good guy victim doesn't mean they're entirely all that pure?

Wars are tough and full of conflict. Everyone had their hardships and their losses, and many came out of the war feeling absolutely terrible about the things they've done. They had their reasons for doing what they did. To survive, to protect their country, to assert their power, etc. Can we just accept that no characters are entirely pure, and stop making stupid excuses with 2P inserts when they aren't actually canon? Yes, the original characters are capable of both good and bad, so I'm sick of some characters being replaced with 2Ps so that they can avoid making the original 1P or whatever look bad.

Sorry, seeing some artworks made me remember how much this type of thing annoys me. 8T I hope I made sense with my rant though?
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X-I-L2048 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I dislike it when people do that, too, TBPH. I mean, people can do what they want, I don't care, but ALL the 2Ps are are alternate colorings of the canon characters. That's it. If people want to make them their own characters, that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the 1Ps are good and the 2Ps are evil. That makes it all way too cut and dry for my taste. Why can't people let the nations be more complex characters than just "this one's good, this one's bad"?
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2014
It's just a problem when characters are portrayed as black and white. And it's offensive the way most people have done this too. Where suddenly World Wars are somehow split into Good vs Evil with no real idea of what actually went on on both sides? Why are some portrayed 2P and others not? It's far too biased. //sighs
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X-I-L2048 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Indeed. :/
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Spirit-Okami Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Also I heard that 2P Russia is suppose to represent the Soviet Union from what I heard but can't regular 1P Russia represent it(?) I mean there's no need for 2P to be Soviet Union. Also I think fandom portrays 2P Germany as a Nazi(?) I seriously don't know if thats true but a lot of fanart portrays it. 
I really dislike when 2P's are involved in war or bad events such as wars in Hetalia. Hima didn't say 2Ps were supposed to be evil. They are just alternate colors kinda like characters in video games. Ok Imma pick a alternate color of Mario *le gasp* That automatically makes him evil. 
Oh god on tumblr there is 3P and 4P like wth?? .__.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014
Man, the 2P Russia soviet thing is so not canon just NO??? And the Soviet Union was a collective anyways. 2Ps just piss me off more than they make me happy, sigh. u__u

don't you know that when you dye your hair you become 2P and evil, spirit, gaaaasp

somebody told me today that people have gone all the way to 10P, I am so done w/ fandom sometimes--
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RandomYami Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
Thank you so much for this, because sometimes it's okay for me that 2p japan is evil and Japan is a pure and nice (as long as they don't go overboard with japan being so innocent and 2p's are so evil as shit)  And when I read this I was just "WHAT WAS I DOING WITH MY LIFE".
Thank you so much for this and I hope this can teach other people from doing  bad portrayals of 2p's.

BTW if you think 2p's are annoying then  stay away from the 3p, 4p and 5p  because that is another peeve in the fandom -_-
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
lmao, I've heard of 3/4/5P and it makes even less sense. Fandom these days, omfg-- u__u

anyway, you're welcome. I don't like it when Japan is too pure and nice though, it's kinda Gary Stu and I feel like the 2Ps being all evil psycho makes the originals seem too perfect. I hate it when characters are too perfect. >>;
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nedercan Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hima himself never even used the term 2p, he called them 'alternate colourings'. The whole 2p/2nd Player concept is entirely fanon. This reminds me of when Hima posted some chibi sketches of France and England in uniforms and called the file '2psometing' and everyone was freaking out because they thought they're the canon 2p desings of them... I also don't get it when people make 2p!versons for characters we know hardly anything about, like India? 

But really, I think most of the time the 2ps are just an excuse for fans to keep their precious favourite 1p character all pure and whitewashed.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
Yeah, that's true, I remember that. But ugh, what bugs me is that almost all the fanon 2P designs are so unrealistic for the country they're supposedly a 2P of. They just seem like random characters who just happen to slightly resemble canon APH characters. :/

And I agree. I'm sick of people purifying characters so much, I've seen people do it to try and make their ships seem valid even though it's not all peachy or somethin'. Heavy siiiiiggggggghhh.
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nedercan Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
From what I understand the 2Ps are supposed the opposites of the 1Ps, so for example 2P!Canada is basically a douchebag and 2P!Belarus a is a really sweet girl. I remember for a while 3Ps also popped up but luckily that didn't become a thing. I just don't understand why do we need so many alternate interprations of a character that are often so different from the originals that you might as well call them an OC. Like, aren't the canon characters not good/interesting enough? It's not like Canada can't be mean at all or Belarus doesn't have her kinder moments... I just feel like it's a waste of time, putting all their lesser known characteristics into an alternate character instead of discovering the complexity of canon ones. Why can't people see grey, why does it always have to be black or white?
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