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Spanish surname naming customs go like this

first name - paternal surname - maternal surname

the paternal surname is the surname that usually gets adopted

so when you guys are doing the whole Maria Clara Carriedo de la Cruz stuff or whatever, you've been taking the wrong surname from Spain's character all along!

His name is Antonio Fernandez Carriedo

this means

Antonio = first name

Fernandez = paternal surname

Carriedo = maternal surname

so the surname that would be more accurate to borrow would be Fernandez, not Carriedo!

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BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT

Why borrow Spain's surnames in the first place? You don't see America being called Alfred Kirkland. You don't see Lovino Fernandez. If your character is an independent nation, I don't see any reason for them to keep their coloniser's surname as though they're still their colony.

I get it if you headcanoned the OC as having the surname during colonisation. But once they are independent, it would make sense for them to break away from that. Perfect sense in fact. They're independent and that human name still having their coloniser's surname makes it feel like they're still their coloniser's 'property', so to speak.

So basically what many people have done is

1. borrow the incorrect surname from Spain

2. made their PH OC seem less independent and still Spain's property even though Philippines has gone through two other colonisers (America, Japan) and is now independent

JUST STOP WITH THE GODDAMN 'CARRIEDO' OKAY THAT'S INACCURATE
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TANblaque Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh I got it now! -fave- Thanks for saying! I better make it Maria de la Cruz! xD Don't bother me. I'm just a kid. *^*
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
At least you've learned ^w^

Eh? How old are you?
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TANblaque Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uhmmm a naive teen
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xxEuchan Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2013
wow thank you for the explanation that cleared things up for me
i've always wondered what exactly is the correct way of saying Spain's name

so this means that calling Spain 'Antonio Fernandez' in human!AU is legit/correct... right? correct me if i'm wrong though
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2013
Well, yes and no. Yes because Fernandez is the main surname and it's more correct than saying Antonio Carriedo, but no because his full name would still be Antonio Fernandez Carriedo because even in human AU he would still be Spanish, right?
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xxEuchan Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2013
Okay then~

Keeping that in mind for future reference.
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SaoriKlaeid9870 Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2013  Student General Artist
WAIT MELONSTYLE PLEASE HELP ME
I DON'T GET THE TERMS, REALLY
I MEAN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND PATERNAL AND MATERNAL SURNAMES
Which is the mother's?
Which is the father's?
THESE.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2013
Er you can call me Mel, ya know?

And I explain it in my other comment back to you. XD;
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SaoriKlaeid9870 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Student General Artist
Yes, thanks Ate Mel ;w;

I'll look at it after this |D
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SaoriKlaeid9870 Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2013  Student General Artist
AHAHAHAHA CORRECT
But to think that they are not born by humans, why put the middle name? (paternal surname)
In the Philippines, the mother's surname will become the middle name. The child gets the father's surname.
E.G. (let's take my name okay) A----- N----- <insert mother's surname here> <insert father's surname here>
I don't get the paternal and maternal because I think they don't use these terms often in the Phil. 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2013
Well, it differs for different countries. In Spain and most Spanish speaking countries, their names have the father's surname first and then the mother's. In other countries it's the other way around. And then in most other countries, only the father's surname is used. It is still a lack of research if people with Philippines OCs think that Spain's first surname is the mother surname and then the father surname is the second one just because it's like that in the Philippines though. But yeah if you're confused, paternal is referring to father, maternal to mother. Think of words like patriarchy and matriarchy and so on. Pa for Father, Ma for Mother. XD
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SaoriKlaeid9870 Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2013  Student General Artist
Hahaha, I think the reason why they put Carriedo but not Fernandez is because they don't know it at all (I mean, the arrangement of the name) :iconmingplz: Just like me Silly Filipinos |D
Thank you for the clues |D
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jjungg Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh dear sweet Mother of Fudge~!!!! :iconfinallyplz: :iconepichigh5plz: THANK YOU~!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH~!!!! My irl friend is hispanic and her name has two middle names. When my other irl friends found that out, we're like ":iconenglandisshockedplz:" and ":iconnotbadplz:"

But just..... Thank you~!!!! :iconletmehugyouplz::iconoldschoolownedplz:
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
you're welcome? XD
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jjungg Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
XDDD

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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
it's okay, you just get to it in your own time ^^
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jjungg Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Alright. :iconehehefinlandplzplz: Thanks! ^^
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SofaKing-Awesome Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I honestly don't even give my Russia characters Russia's last name. Some cases I get if they're all together, like the UK or micronations and sometimes colonies, but otherwise, I just don't get giving a character the same last name as a country.  Even the Baltics don't have the same last name. Especially for countries with specific naming traditions, people need to pay attention and do research. Though this specific case seems more like a clashing of naming traditions [Spain vs Philippines], otherwise your totally correct. 

I've actually been have a slight issue with Russia's human name [the way people spell it and the name in general] which I planned on posting a journal about in a bit.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
^ basically the points you made, yes, gomen I have nothing to add except yup
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PrinceFae Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ahaha remember when i used to do this aha

thank gog i changed her name like 70 millions times aheuhuhruhr 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
lmao it's ok, so long as you don't do the Carriedo thing now--

iirc it's Hannah now right? What's her full name? o3o
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PrinceFae Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ahaaa i'm still making up for full name

Hannah's the only thing i've got atm
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
ooooh I see~

btw what inspired you to go with Hannah? c:
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PrinceFae Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i dunno man i just wanted it to just sound more filipino than spanish even tho hannah isn't exactly filipino but whatever

i realised maria's too spanish so i went for hannah since it was the first thing to pop into my head ahaa
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SPINNY-chair-HERO Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
wait hold up
Here tho for the traditional Philippine surname gig
it's reverse
First name > Maternal Surname > Paternal surname and the Spanish naming tradition is rarely if not used in the PH 
and the one you pointed out was the Spanish surname tradition
But this is a PH OC we're talking about so the OC creators probably disregarded the Spanish naming tradition and used the Philippine one instead because yeah it's always from the Philippines' point of view.

i still dont see the point of a PH OC adopting Antonio's surname because if that were the case she/he'd end up adopting Jones and Honda and heck, even KIRKLAND.
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Traditional PH names:

You mean like this? => Jose Manuel (Given) / Gatdula (Maternal) / de Guzman (Paternal)

Translation: Jose Manuel G. de Guzman 
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SPINNY-chair-HERO Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
yessss
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
Ok, well thanks for pointing it out - still, it's rather lazy of the OC creator not to look into that. But ultimately yeah I don't see the point of adopting the surname in the first place. =3=
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NerdyJones Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
///CLAPS AT YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

ThHEY EVEN USE CARRIEDO AS SPAIN'S FIRST SURNAME.
WHY.
WHY.
THEY THINK FERNANDEZ ITS A NAME OR WHAT?!?
//creys
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
IDK THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN GUESSING BUT

FERNANDO WOULD BE THE NAME VERSION, FERNANDEZ BEING THE SURNAME JUST

GOSH IT'S REALLY LAZY NOT TO HAVE PROPERLY LOOKED INTO IT U__U
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Fudge those fangirls (Not all, of course) :iconyaomingfaceplz: They think that adding Spain's name even after its independence is so fudging kawaii XD

My freind who is against this Maria Clara kawaii-as-fudge Carriedo dela CRuz, said that the mainstream Philippines has this pattern; Spain the papa, America the lover, and Japan the intruder. 

Spain the papa?

 - what what what WHAAAT?!?. Himaruya said once that Spain's a strict boss towards his other countries except Italia Romano. Ugh no, stop the fudging kawaii little girlie, ladies. I wanna wank their bloody noses.


You know, this is the first time I rant XD
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
Oh because ermagod kawaii papasss

and tbh that's pretty true, and that's why people often look down on PH OCs in particular, because none of those portrayals are accurate and don't take into account the various aspects of these foreign relations and how they were shaped throughout history. 8I

And it's okay to rant bby, let it out |D
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GalaxyFart Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
stephanie fernandez

and what about esteban julio ricardo montoya de la rosa ramirez
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ain't nobody got time for that :iconaintnobodyplz:

//shot jk
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
NOBODY HAS THE TIME FOR THAT
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GalaxyFart Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
EVERYONE HAS TIME FOR STEPHANIE FERNANDEZ
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adventvera16 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Huhhh~. Is it just me..or is it another case of deja vu? I do have this feeling that you had talked about this before...
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
that's because I have

I just wanted to revive the message now that I have more watchers and again keep seeing newer PH OCs adopting the 'Carriedo' and stuff =3=
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adventvera16 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ahhhh~. So it really does come that some new artists do use the Carriedo surname. Interesting...
Really? Just curious, they also using Maria's and Juan's too?
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
many still use Maria and Juan. Tons and tons of Maria Clara de la Cruz's - with or without the Clara part added anyway. TBH most of those PH OCs have fallen into a blur for me where none of them really feel particularly unique because they use the same ideas as previously made OCs. And many of them copy the 'Carriedo' that the older OCs used even though it's not accurate.
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adventvera16 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That is quite the truth. It's just that Juan and Maria are very typical "Filipino"-ish? Yes, I know both names are common and familiar in other countries, but it's the quite a norm usually used here and easy to come up with for naming the OC. I've seen Juan Crisostomo, Juan Andres, Juan Felipe, and some more. Personalities, meh....Yeah. Most of them have similar personalities. So I see your point there. And the Carriedo thing is yeah, we know about that...

Well, hopefully your message does reach up to them so they can change it. 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
Ah, it's not just in the personalities, it's in the designs too. But yeah, I know Maria's a common name - but I didn't want to use it. I wanted to go for a name that felt more Filipino specific and Maricela incorporated the Maria in a way? But I'm glad I went with a more unique name because I think it's made her more memorable compared to other PH OCs. TBH the PH OCs I remember the best are ones that were more out of the box with the names - like :iconchoco-java: having the nickname JC for her Luzon OC, :iconsigalawin: chose Amiah, I remember one of my friends who called her PH OC Reina and I remember another PH OC named Luzviminda. All names that work just fine for a PH OC that don't just fade into a giant blur of common names, you know? When I see another PH OC named Maria I can't help but think "ok another maria kay" - and before I even went into PH fandom I noticed lots of female Mexicos called Maria and just tons and tons of OCs named Maria so I just wanted to avoid that name period for my OC naming, ahaha. Nothing against the name, but I just find it waaaaay too common.

Either way I just really want the Carriedo thing to stop, just eeeuuurgghh it's actually one of my APH OC pet peeves.
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adventvera16 Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
From what I have known, Maricela may have originated from Maria Cecilia. Filipinos are too fond of two or three first names. =3=.
Actually, all those you have spoken of hold their own style and special personality. Just by the name itself, they stood out from all the rest of the OCs. Although, like Maria, Juan goes with Juan Andres and Juan Felipe and so on and so forth. Same sentiments on my side. 

Have you Uguu-d this? XD
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
It actually originated from Maria and Celia. XD As I've mentioned before elsewhere, I headcanoned that Maricela used to be known as Maria Celia during the Spanish colonisation days. XD And yeah, I knew that, which was why I decided to pop in the Clara and i really like the name Clara i'll admit that-- to make Maricela Clara. When you think about it, it's almost three first names there--//bricked
oh and I forgot to mention :iconrandomsketchez:'s Philippines too, while the design is rather basic, I still end up remembering her as 'Feli' and she has a good personality too, it actually gets shown through in the comics and stuff. XD

eh idk how to make any good one-liners on the Carriedo thing, so I probably won't. Actually tbh I haven't really got the time to work out Uguus and such anyway, my current art focus has actually been on designing the Mall Dwellers as part of my preparation for my October contest. XDD; Finally my Ecuador and Venezuela get coloured art--//bricked

but i have done sketches for possible upcoming fanart ohoho

actually since you mentioned cecelia, me and one of my best friends came up with a MexPiri family in which Maricela and Emilio (the Mexico used in 'The Curse') have a son and daughter named Mateo and Cecelia ahahahahahahaha GDI I NEED TO DRAW MORE OF THE FAMILIES I'VE COME UP WITH, LIKE THE LUXLIECH FAMILY TALKING TO YOU IS REMINDING ME OF STUFF GOMEN FOR RAMBLING
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poi-rozen Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
oh my lord, thank you! I really don't like the idea of when people use canon surnames for there OCs but I like the headcanon about OCs. I can understand Micro Nations since Sealand did have 'Kirkland' for a human name but nations that have self governance or are independent shouldn't have the same surname as there colonizer. :'I
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
you are welcome~ =u= and yeah, I agree. I'm okay with Seborga having the Vargas surname too, but with the more known independent nations, I would rather not see them run around with the coloniser surname. 8I I mean, Belarus and Ukraine are related to Russia but they don't share his name at all, which further proves that even nations with close connections like that still have their own more independent name.
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poi-rozen Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yeah, like micro nations are understandable but full nations? really? or Canada who has his own name that differs from America so I would agree.
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CrizzaDang Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
I agree to this! 
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2013
huzzah! //HIGHFIVES
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