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If your OC was a colony, that didn't mean they actually lived in their coloniser's house. Sure, it was easy for Italy to be at Austria's and Romano to be at Spain's because THEY ARE ACTUALLY CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER GEOGRAPHICALLY.

But take America and England. America never actually lived at England's place! He was often left in his own country with England coming to visit him now and again! Now look at the distance between America and England on the map. There's a damn good reason why America didn't actually live at England's - he's far away!

So now let's look at colonies in Latin America, Africa, Asia and the Pacific. Again, they're a damn good distance away from Spain, Netherlands, England, France and Portugal. (well, with perhaps the exception of Spain and the North African countries). So maybe, just maybe, your colonised oc nation was not some chibi desu thing living in their coloniser's house??? Maybe they just stayed where they were and got visited instead.

Take Philippines for example. Philippines was governed by Spain via Mexico, who was New Spain. This was because the distance between New Spain and Philippines was smaller than Spain and Philippines, making for a rather convenient trade route to Asia. So if anything, Spain would not only have left Philippines in his/her own homeland, but New Spain probably did a lot more of the visiting!

And with England and all his colonies. Do you seriously think he crammed all his colonies into one house? I don't think so. They all needed managing, but that can be done in the places they represent. He'd have had people assigned to deal with them, the way his own nation had its own leader and so on.

I'm just sick of seeing APH OCs that were once colonies depicted as little kawaiified maid-kun/chan's in their coloniser's house. Seriously. 8I

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HoneyBeeGirl94 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014
I thought that I was the only one that thought the same way! 
Look at how Dino portrays the colonies during their colonization years in the 'Maaf' series. Same with America and England. Why won't people realize that?
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014
lol you're definitely far from being the only one.

Gee though, you're really stalking my stuff, lmao--
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HoneyBeeGirl94 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014
I'm that bored! XD
Especially dealing with my sister playing playing violent action games nearby. (It's not bothering me, I'm just narrating what's going on in my place. XD)
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AndreaTheChinchilla Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
THANK YOU >:D
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014
YOU'RE WELCOME
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SaoriKlaeid9870 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013  Student General Artist
OHMYGOD THIS IS SO ACCURATE AMG WHY CAN'T SOME HETALIANS UNDERSTAND 8I
somehow I sense MexPiri uvu
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
IDK /HEAVY SIGH
i'm ok with that i like me some mexpiri
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randomsketchez Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I'll give you a 3 thumbs up if I could! Finally! Some one points that out. Im pretty open minded about this, though. I mean, it is their version of the story, so I respect that. But it is pretty unbelievable. If I'm not mistaken, during those days, travel from Spain to Mexico would take about half a year. Then from Mexico to Philippines, another half. Who in their right mind would do such a thing!? And if youre a personification of a country, why would you live outside of your country?lol!

haha! this kinda reminds me of that Xmas special on himaruya's blog where Cuba demands Germany to somehow magically teleport to Canada.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
It's not so much them doing that version of the story, but rather the lack of justification behind it, imo. I mean, there are exceptions in which I could understand certain colonies being with their colonisers quite a lot, but the desu maid thing NOPE I CAN'T I NEVER CAN

lol travel seems to be kind of w/e in hima's comics sometimes
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the-Canaan-family Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
((Yes. Yes. YES.))
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
glad you agree! :D
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NorthMoonAlaska Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Omg that's totally true !
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
yeeeeeep 8I
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Fantashii Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Sure is TRUE...
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marchrrr Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Yeah finally somebody did this.. I saw someone who did this to Philippines... living with spain,romano,and mexico..
its like a reversed harem thingy
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
I see tons of people who do this with Philippines and Mexico OCs especially. And it's like, it destroys the whole point of the Manila-Acapulco Galleon Trade and stuff, as well as New Spain's role in regards to Spain's colonies. 8T
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marchrrr Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Yeah its preeeeetty annoying
And i found something different too its about S.Korea
Like gropping Phil's breasts and saying something like Your breasts are mine da-ze!
-____-'
Like wtf
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA OTL

I covered that in a recent journal of mine. Cuz while I absolutely ADORE S. Korea/Philippines, I hate it when people turn Yong Soo into nothing more than a breast groping pervert. It's annoying as heck, omfg. Yong Soo's a favourite of mine, so I don't like him being turned shallow like that. U___U
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marchrrr Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2013
Yeah your right
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punpatrol Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT THANK YOU.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
it's like tons of people seem to think it from what I can see, but nobody's really bothered projecting it more, sigh.
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NerdyJones Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
FINALLY.
THE HEAVEN LISTENED TO MY PRAYERS.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
\ O /
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NerdyJones Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
bLESS you really.
In the latin fandom there's this stupid Idea that every latin country lived with spain and romano in his house. and I was like "How the fuck you will put like 30 children in one fucking house" and everyone FORGETS the fact that the latin countries ignored each other in some ways. (Mostly with Mexico, who whas so far away from them that they barely interacted ) and Im Like "you must to be kidding" THey are countries,they need to BE with THEIR people fuck . ;;
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Colors-of-Fire Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL I never would've done that for my Indonesia for those EXACT reasons xD
Netherlands would've just visited from time to time, sometimes sleeping over, and boss her around THERE. Which is why she's all: :iconffffplz: and 'Get yo ass off my couch damnit' lolwut?
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
Yeeeeeeeeeep, I'll agree to that. //nodnod
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AkariKyoku Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ahh..... that's right....... I forgot about that........ :iconohdearplz:
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
//patpats
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LKeiko Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol, it always made sense for the colonized ocs to stay at their own houses if their far away.

Just common sense really.

Besides a few wealthy latin countries, most of latin america was pretty much left alone (drained dry and their indeginous population low and controlled) by Spain unless he wanted something from them.

Thanks for pointing it out to everyone ^v^
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
I can see the colonies being visited or them visiting the places of their colonisers at most, but I personally don't think it should be treated as some happy family thing where they all live in a kawaii household.

And you're welcome. ^^
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LKeiko Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Totally! Cuz 9 times out of 9 the happy family thing is mostly a lie
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep :U
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X-I-L2048 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup, I agree with this for the most part. I think the colonizers would come for a visit occasionally and stay awhile, and maybe the colonies would visit as well now and then, but living at their colonizer's house 24/7? I don't really see it, sorry. :/ I mean, if people can make it work, then great, but I prefer them being more separate than that. (And the maid thing's waaay overdone for Latin OCs. Funnily enough, though, I don't really see it done with English or French colonies that much, if at all. I've yet to see Australia in a maid outfit. XD)
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
Yeeeaaahhh, I can see visits, but definitely no 24/7. I mostly see the maid thing down with Philippines and Latin American OCs, but yeeeaahhh. 8I TBH I haven't seen many depictions of younger Australia or NZ in general.
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X-I-L2048 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I've seen more pics of li'l Australia than I have of NZ, but... you know, you're right. People don't seem to draw them as much as they do, say, America and Canada. Weird. :/
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Probably because they're not as popular as America and Canada. 8I I mean, the main Australia I've seen when he was younger was him as Yolngu in Maaf, ahaha. Otherwise... not really at all. :/
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X-I-L2048 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, if Himaruya and the anime would just feature them more, I think they'd get a little more love. =D Exposure is the key.
Well, I do occasionally find stuff like this [link] or this [link]. They're just a harder to find is all.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Yeeeeeeaaahh I'd hope so! XD
kfjhlfkj omg those are cute, especially the second one fkjslhfk maori-style NZs<33333
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SailorSun1998 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Student Writer

*hides in a corner* Why didn't I think of that?
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
//pats - cuz I snuck in with this journal first, idk? xD;;
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SailorSun1998 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013  Student Writer
The cutest OC I have is one for Pripyat, the abandoned ghost town in the Chernobyl Exclusion zone... And she's not even very cute... she's a little more on the creepy side of cute... and pretty accurate, If I do say so myself.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
IDK much about Pripyat, I wonder how one would be like in the modern day, now that it's abandoned..? //ponders

cuz it's not like it's gone in the way Pompeii's pretty much down, it's just kind of... left alone?
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SailorSun1998 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013  Student Writer
Yeah, prettymuch.

It's opened to tourists tho
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jjblue1 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
I think the real problem is one of interpretation. No conquered land ever worked for someone else as a maid, cleaning his/her boss' land/house. Each of them remained where they were, their people continuing to reside in them and doing their own jobs.

The maid representation is used by Himaruya:
A) for the cute
B) to imply they worked for their boss.

You think it's ridicule to cram American colonies in Spain's house but I also think it's ridicule to place in Spain, Romano. South Italy back then was a pretty far place and anyway south Italy never moved from where it was, nor Spain kept on going back and forth. They had people who remained there to do the job of checking things in south Italy.

[Though, to tell the truth, in Hetalia distance is relevant only when the author want so. Italy carries Japan back home in a car in a relatively short time... and Japan was about to go back home on feet. Crossing the ocean must not really take that long.]

But well, Himaruya sees this as South Italy being in Spain's house because he's somehow in Spain's property. And for the cute which causes Romano to remain a chibi even if previously Romano was an independant and united kingdom which should have caused him to grow at least to the same age as Belgium.
America is another case completely as in Hetalia he's not England's servant, he's his little brother. He doesn't get to wear maid outfit or clean the house, England is supposed to take care of him as a responsible parent, cooking for him and teaching him things.

But back to your point... you're trying to put rules on very subjective interpretations of history facts when actually your problem seems to be another. You seem annoyed by poorly represented historical situation because the author wanted the cute more than he wanted logic.

If the author wants the cute more than he wants logic even if he leaved the colonies where they were he'll find a way to kawaiify them, historical logic be damned. So I'm sorry but I fear you're fighting a lost battle.
Maybe if they'll listen you the scenery will change slightly but just because they decided the new setting is more kawai and you'll have sad, cute, little maid crying and waiting for his/her master to come visiting him/her all the days...
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2013
Well, I was basing my explanation with a mix of what Himaruya's done and with real life. I do think it would make more sense for Romano to stay where he was too, but I was trying to take a look at justifying why Romano may have gone to Spain's place more, while America was more further away from England. So yes, the problem is interpretation and also the lack of justification behind interpretations. I wouldn't say it's fighting a lost battle. That's like saying nobody should bother pointing out these things, even if it is bad. Because if someone actually takes some of these points into consideration, then no, it wasn't for nothing. Nor do I expect this journal to make some dramatic revolutionary change in how people wish to interpret things.

Besides, more people nowadays seem to actually give more damns about making their OCs as accurate as possible to the nations they represent. As people are taking out more and more time to point out that kawaii =/= good oc, there's more and more people putting work into not creating Sues. There's aaaalways going to be those kawaii uguu OCs, I'm well aware. =3=
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jjblue1 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Honestly I really hope people will start justifing their interpretations with history based reasons. I don't really care which choice they'll make afterward as long it's based on logic and history and not on the cute.

I guess I sounded pessimistic because I'm completely exhasperated by how OC (but also Hetalia in general) are handled.

If in Hetalia history is often sacrificed for the cute, in the fandom history doesn't exist at all. As I love history I'm rather hurt by this massacre.

Honestly I really hope the fandom will return to pay attention to history and create good OCs because I saw too many that make me shudder.
When I started being involved in APH it was because the fandom was producing awesome history based material but now... it's rather hard to find it.

So I really hope yours won't be a lost battle and people will try to improve their OCs.
LOL, you almost tempt me into hoping if I write an essay on how to make decent Italian OCs people might stop producing Italian OCs that have as much in common with Italians as aliens from Alpha Centauri...
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Yeeeeeeeep, same. I tried to do that as best as I can with my OCs when building up their profiles and stuff. I'm glad that I have quite a few friends who do the same, and also friends who have inspired others to do more historical and cultural based research (like the creator of 'maaf', if you've heard of that aph doujinshi).

But hey, with every big fandom it's always a tough thing to find the gems in the fanworks. I used to pay attention to more mainstream stuff (aka the aph yaoi, lol) but then as I paid more attention to creating aph ocs and stuff, I found more people who do show concern about the treatment of history/foreign relations/etc. So I guess it's about having the patience to dig deep. Gosh, it takes me back to my fandoms pre-Hetalia where I shipped uncommon ships and stuff, so I basically went into Hetalia going 'WELL I'M GONNA LIKE THE UNPOPULAR THING, SO HERE GOES'
And sadly with most good fanworks, they take research and many don't bother with that. Some because they don't care, others because they don't have the time... and yeah. I know if it weren't for real life, I'd be doing waaaay more historical fanarts/comics of things, ohhhh yes.

TBH I'd actually be imterested to see you write that essay, ahaha. I mean, I've been to Italy (as well as Sicily) and I've seen some rather painful OCs for 'em. Like this painful Tuscany who the creator shipped with Germany and they had a lovechild shipped with France and just oh god the derailment into awful - not to mention both the Tuscany and the lovechild had giant boobs, tiny waists and big hips and NOPE
and apparently there's a bit of drama with some people over this terrible Sicily OC and ugh, the pain.

I actually love it when people write journals with tips on creating APH OCs. It's not really that much of a losing fight if people take more time out to say these things. I've had a lot of people thanking me for this journal and saying that I said things they'd wanted said ages ago. So that's something, ahaha.
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jjblue1 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Same here. Researches about the people's character, about the history, the culture, the economy, the typical hairstyles, the most common haircolours, the main personalities... I'm not saying I also don't consider the cute because I do. But the idea is the cute must not be completely without reasons.
So if a character is a girl, a child, if he's always sad or he's always happy there should be also a reason that's logical enough to support this be it national character, a belief, a statistic, something.

No, I don't know it so I'll be happy to read it if you can pass me the link!

LOL. As for me at the beginning I didn't like Hetalia because it was terribly inaccurate historically wise... but as the fandom instead produced awesome historical pieces I thought about letting myself be involved... when the fandom swtiched their interest on the yaoi and ignored history... well, it was a bad moment for me.

For me the worst is when they believed they've been accurated because 'Hetalia said so'.

Same here. Sadly I can't draw as much as I would like...

So you saw it too? Scary isn't it? There's also another region (can't remember which one) who's the lovechild of Germany and Italy and there's those regions who randomly love Hetalia characters that they historically hated because... no idea really. Not mentioning the regions who're the Mafia or have foreign names or impossible hair colours or are built to be a copy of Feliciano or Lovino but with a different look, usually female as her author, possibly with her author's name... it lead me to have a 'female complex'.

Each time I chose a region, a micronation, an ex-country, a population, a whatever can be female I have to sit down and explain myself why in details... which is twice as annoying, because I shouldn't feel guilty for making a character female and because in Italy countries, regions and cities often have already an anthropomorphized version that's usually females and it would make more sense to have everything in Italy as female (if you ask to random Italian people who are not Hetalia fan if a place should be male or female 8 times out of ten the answer is female).

Personally I'm always interested in tips about history and culture... but I'm sort of traumatized by how many people want to make a foreign OC over a country they know nothing about and care less about what his culture, characteristics and history are.
I've seen generally people is accurate if they make an OC about their country... but if it's a foreigner one it's just for the sake of playing with a cute nation-tan from 'somewhere'. It might be Mars for all they care but as Mars doesn't exactly have that much life and then it would be difficult to pair him with their fave tan it'll be a random place on Earth, maybe on Italy because... that's where their finger stopped when they closed their eyes and pointed at the map of Europe. And that's depressing.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Definitely. I mean, of course you want the character to look appealing and all that. I don't mind characters looking cute so much as seeing the character portrayal... yeah, I'm sure you know what I mean. I pretty much agree with this.
TBH, with the gender and age, I kind of want to do a journal asking how people make decisions for their OC's gender. I mean, I kind of have different reasons for choosing my nation's gender. Like some nation OC gender headcanons came from the sound of the country name, some came from their national anthem (cuz some use quite gender specific pronouns in regards to the country), some are based more on the way society is shaped (some are more matriarchal than others in a way), etc etc.

And the account with the historical/cultural based fanworks is :icondinosaurusgede: - I find her to be a very knowledgeable person. I hope you enjoy her works! ^^

hah, I took an interest in Hetalia because I've always been passionate about travel and the world and learning about different countries. While the series itself didn't teach me a lot, I guess it inspired me to learn more? I used to be awful at history, geography, anthropology and politics but the series kind of made me want to become more educated for myself. Even if the fandom is mostly focused on stuff like shipping - I'm a shipper too, so I don't get too bothered - I found myself enjoying the ride, ahaha. Made good friends here and there. I guess it mostly depends on what you get out of it, huh? ^^

OH GOD ALL THOSE OCS THAT HAVE BIG BOOBS JUST CUZ UKRAINE HAS BIG BOOBS
OR REALLY UNREALISTIC EYE COLOURS JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THE APH CAST DO
JUST NO NO NO

Oh, you know of the one. Hahhhh. Yeah, I've seen so many lovechildren nation OCs of canon characters where they barely have much to do with the canon characters mentioned. Like a Philippines that was a Japan/Greece lovechild and uh I have a Philippines OC and I know for a fact that Philippines doesn't have much history if any with Greece, sigh. And they weren't descendents of the Japanese either. 8I
I'd just rather keep the lovechildren for human AUs ok

Gosh, it's kind of sad that people creating female OCs feel like they have to work so much harder just because they're more easily labelled as bad characters. I've seen female OCs of nations that were far better done than male versions, but they get bashed anyway just for being female. And actually, I kind of agree with the idea of Italy being more feminine. One of my friends has an adorable Emilia-Romagna OC, you just reminded me of her, ahaha.

...lol, none of my OCs are of countries I have ties to, nor have travelled to. But the thing is, I actually love researching different places - in fact I've been mistaken as a person from the country I've done an OC for, lmao. But I'm just an New Zealander with ties to the UK, but I've never done OCs from other there. I think what's more annoying is when people draw an APH OC and just randomly decide "THIS SHALL BE A KENYA" or "SHE WILL BE CROATIA", rather than deciding the country and researching and applying that knowledge into the design. u__u
TBH, I've seen a lot of people do terrible OCs of their own nation as well though. It can be a disadvantage too - I've seen people insert too much of themselves onto the OC, shipping the OC of their nation with their favourite characters just because, or just plain making them a special snowflake.
So yeah, I think anyone can make a nation of wherever they like, because let's face it, if we all have libraries and internet around us, we have access to researching the nation chosen.
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jjblue1 Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2013
Same here. Deciding certain characteristics isn't that easy and Hetalia doesn't really help much... and sometimes I wonder if there's something that should help. When a country had a long life it tended to change through history, which makes difficult to fix its image in a single character.

Generally I'm head on into ships but with Hetalia only few pairings caught my interest and I've a real weakness only for one of them. I guess it comes from my history love. In history countries that were loving each other till a moment ago, might hate each other and try to destroy each other 'short later'... and the words 'short later' might imply quite a bunch of years and the change of a generation or of a ruler but in an historical perspective this is a really short time considering a country's life.

The real problem is that certain characteristics of Hetalia lulled everyone into believing certain stuffs are allowed without even bothering to think twice at what they were doing... when actually Hetalia itself could have thinked twice before doing them. Like Ukraine's breasts that are not only huge but also jingle and that make her look more like a milk factory.

*sigh* I've been discussing with someone else about family relations and my belief is they shouldn't be compared to human ones.
America, Japan showed up all of sudden, they weren't given birth by some country. And when a country refers to a mother/son relation it's more likely they imply the 'mother' is their ancestor and raised them more than someone who got pregnant with some other country.

I think it's also a problem when a person has only a vague knowledge about a place and is persuaded that's enough to create a detailed OC. Sometimes I find OC that have endless descriptions that are based on... very little or misleading info or opinable stuffs or second/third hand knowledge and said description is sold as 'accurate' when actually it's not.

Or they decide to go for a portray that's offensive but that they define 'funny' (or worse 'accurate').

Problem is many doesn't want to research. It takes time and not everyone finds it funny so... -_-
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