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KAWAII UGUU 2 - the spanish colonisation by melonstyle KAWAII UGUU 2 - the spanish colonisation by melonstyle
How not to portray the Spanish colonisation of the Philippines.

1. I hate the "PAPA!<3" "MI HIJA!<3" thing. Spain has done a lot of bad things to the Philippines and she was never the special snowflake Spanish colony. She wanted to become independent from him. There were pros and cons to it all, but let's face it, their relationship was no father-daughter thing. The Philippines has history and influences prior to the Spanish colonisation anyway, do the research.

2. the 'Philippines was mistaken for a boy by Spain' headcanon. Wow, let's just take Hungary's backstory and Chibitalia's backstory and mash them together? ORIGINAL DESU!!! No, Spain is not stupid. Also even if he did mistake her for a boy at first, shouldn't Philippines go ahead and correct him right off the bat? And if Spain was unsure, he could have simply asked.

3. According to Himaruya's profiling of Spain, he favoured Romano and was stricter to the rest of his colonies. But Romano was always referred to as more his 'lackey' or something along those lines. He was never given special snowflake treatment and called a son of Spain's or anything. Why should Philippines be referred to as his daughter when it's been made clear she wasn't a favourite?

4. Stop making Romano jealous of your Philippines. He's canonly jealous of his brother North Italy. He doesn't need to be jealous of your silly mary sue, thank you. Give the poor kid a break.

5. Stop acting as though Spain's only colonies were Romano, Mexico and Philippines and that they all lived in Spain's house, happily ever after! Not many Filipinos were even allowed to leave the Philippines until later in the colonisation. Also most of their interactions were with Mexico (New Spain at the time - Manila Acapulco Galleon Trade, refer to that) and Spain, sometimes over parts of Asia considering THEY'RE IN ASIA, NOT EUROPE - so yeah, Romano and Philippines don't have as much history as certain parts of fandom may have you believe, kthnxbai. Also yeah, Spain had all these other colonies. Why are they suddenly all conveniently forgotten? Way to snub an entire continent, guys. I'm sure the Latin American fandom are loving that.

6. Did you know that Spain had other reasons for fighting his wars and that it wasn't all for Philippines? No really, I've seen bios saying that 'Spain's gone to war with Netherlands over Philippines!' and stuff. Here's the newsflash, guys: Spain and Netherlands, Spain and England... They were having bad history WITH OR WITHOUT Philippines being a factor. Philippines was only fought over because he/she was a territory of Spain's and of course Netherlands and England wanted to get at Spain. She also has a lot of great resources and a key positioning in Southeast Asia. They weren't fighting because 'OH MY GOD I LOVE HER AND I MUST TAKE HER AWAY FROM SPAIN'. It was more like 'I'm going to defeat Spain and hey, Philippines looks pretty key to achieving my victory', more along those lines. Please, your Sues aren't worth starting wars over.

So yeah, I have a lot of complaints regarding the portrayals I've seen of the Spanish colonisation of the Philippines. My Philippines OC has a lot of complaints about it too.

Philippines OC belongs to :iconmelonstyle:
Mexico OC belongs to :iconrineko-enimagak:
Spain and Romano belong to :iconhimaruyaplz:
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:iconkimsueng:
kimsueng Featured By Owner Edited 2 days ago
I just remembered something (I don't remember if I commented it once but I'm going to do it anyways) The Mi hija and papa thingy it was history base, according to my constitution book (yes, there is a little history in it) Spain is considered as the "Mother of the Philippines" while "Philippines is the Daughter of Spain" so you can't really blame the fandom, blame the history books XD although you have a good point and I hate it when they say Spain is overprotective (definitely not) in my opinion Spain is strict and likes to use her/his resources because Himaruya states that he was two faced, but ya know how fandom goes, they use their wildest imagination   
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changing-bells Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014  Student
hahahahaha ate Janna can I call you oo nag a-assume ako eh pano wala pana mang official na design si Piri and I'm clearly hoping na boy siya kasi nga Yaoi hehehehe fujushi to the max
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014
umm, I don't understand Filipino. Please translate?
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JannaTheaPangan210 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2014
Okay people! Wala pang nakakalaman sa totoong gender ni Piri! KAYA WAG MAGING ~ehem~ assuming ~ehem~ 
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changing-bells Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014  Student
cause Roma you're his wife duhbunneh icon4 bunneh icon4 
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changing-bells Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2014  Student
yeah I'm totally into you and Piri is male damn bitches cause it's yaoi babeh  and Piri should tease Roma about being Antonio's favorite colony and instead calling Roma as Antonio's henchman Piri teases Romano and call him Spai's wife cause it's yaoi babeh
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JannaTheaPangan210 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2014
Well.... Piri is actually a girl... According to the Wikia but not officially.... 
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bursky Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014
Correction most of the bad things done to Philippines are done by fake priest yes most of the priest that governed Philippines are not actually a priest and also New Spanya(Mexico) who Spain gave governance over Philippines.
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Sayorii-chii Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:iconfacepalmplz: Seriously the people who make these stories. :iconwthplz: I always thought they were historically inaccurate but people assuming it's cannon? Someone find a history book and sling shoot it at their face and tell me if Spain treats Philippines like a princess or not. Never. Trust. OC. Wikis.
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Okay enough with my short rant about history. Ate Mel-Mel (can I call you that? :3) thank you for the comic to point out these stupid fandom inaccuracies. It was hilarious and true. I'm gonna make a comic. But I know I will fail :iconlazycryplz:
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014
Oh lord, you're reminding me of the Hetalia Fan Character wikia and nearly all of the OCs make me want to shoot something, omg--

and lol yeah, you can call me Mel-Mel, I have people doing that irl already--
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InsyWeNSY Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Student Artist
sigh isn't koripiri is fandom? And its only in their dreams XD
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014
???

your wording is sort of confusing here, gomen
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InsyWeNSY Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2014  Student Artist
XD never mind I don't understand myself why did I type that comment. Sorry for the trouble.
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Girlsrule98 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013  Hobbyist
you always say what some people in this fandom should know
btw ..... you mentioned Argentina omg...... WE´RE NOT FORGOTTEN!!!! //sobs (?
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013
yeah, there's no way I'd forget the other Latin countries! Latin America's awesome! XD
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Girlsrule98 Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2013  Hobbyist
...... let me love you //glomps
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angelliyesmadirector Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
True. True.
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marchrrr Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013
Mel(is it okay if I called you that?)
youre a genious :iconwtfplz:
i mean really,all or the fanfics ive read are EXACTLY like this -_- i was just like Meh just keep reading there not that many fanfics about piri anyway
i dont know why people make my country a sue
yeh i do admit that we were colonized by many countries(and there all boys in APH) but it doesnt have to be a love square -3-
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013
Yeah, you can call me Mel! C:

And thanks! Yeah, tbh I can't stand reading most Philippines OC fanfics, because so many of the portrayals just really irk me. TBH, I actually dislike most coloniser/colony pairings, so I could never view it as some love square or triangle or w/e. XD;
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marchrrr Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013
Hurr hurr no prob :D

Im actually happy that someone actually agreed with me on this ewe
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Devin-Trinidad Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
*le face touch* If I ever have a Philippines OC, I will be sure to refer back to this. Thanks~!
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2013
ahaha, no worries XD
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chocopochi Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh yeah, about Spain's canon... When I first saw Spain in Hetalia as canoningly ( God, does that word even exist? I don't even. ) portrayed as a happy go lucky, very optimistic with cheerie face and rainbow madness, I was like... ".... you serious? you can't be seri-... Is he ( Himaruya ) serious?"

Yeah. So sorry for my 1st reaction when Hetalia introduces Spain as an optimistic, almost like a harmless fella. Its just that some of the Hetalia fans were too busy seeing Spain as a cheerie, oblivious nation that they seem to forget that Spain is a one hella creepy empire next to England and France. Like, he was literally one of the 2 nations ( the other one is Portugal ) that had almost divided the whole world before England ruined everything he had worked for.

I see Spain as a more powerful nation with a chance of malice behind his smile when angered and not just some optimistic guy that is easily gullible.

Pedo Spain? Nope. I don't vote for it.
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chocopochi Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True true. I agree. Although I had no against Spain being nice with Philippines since I had to admit Spain started out as a good empire back then, I don't know what kind of demon just passes right in front of him that changed himself into a complete asshole. But I wouldn't agree on Spain being too loving or too "I think I'm inlove" type of thing towards Spain. Thinking of it just hurts the logic more.

I had no against Mary sues since they creators of M.S ( Mary Sues ) can do their own will if they want but their ideas about the Philippines were sometimes ( or most of the times ) off the bat. Philippines were created in Mary Sues as a "girly-girl with super Maria Clara attitude with lots of love teams that are even crack ( God-knows-what-kind-of-relationship-does-Philippines-have-with-that-kind-of-country ) and seen as a submissive person." How the heck do we even became submissive when almost the women population here can break an arm out of their moodiness!? and what ticks me off is that some fandoms about Piri is that " because of Spain and America, we have created our own culture." I'm like: "whoa! We have our own culture way back before this two Westerns showed up. Infact, anyone has one! Now, please, shove that idea back to your head!"

siiiighhh....
I'm also making Philippine OC as well and frankly I don't even have a pairing with her. I want to make her with less pairing/ less love-drama and more reality like what Dinosaurusgede does to Maaf, base it with historical facts. But with these inaccurate Mary sues, I'm starting to fall off the cliff.
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner May 23, 2013
TAlking about the demon-inside-Antonio-that-made-him-an-asshole part,

Well, he may be either possessed with a "Invading-land spirit" or he's brainwashed by his evil boss/es

just a suggeston of some sort
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chocopochi Featured By Owner May 23, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hahaha. No no, you got it all wrong. XD
I didn't say a demon " possessed " Antonio that made him an ass, I meant some demon just "passes right in front" of Antonio that made him an ass.

But the invading land spirit as well as the brainwashing part is a very good suggestion. I like that very much. Thanks!
:D
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Neptune-Blues15 Featured By Owner May 24, 2013
Oh.. "passes infront" of him and made him an ass... XD


Oh , about the Brainwashing thing, that's :icondinosaurusgede:'s idea, I really like her idea
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chocopochi Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah, I really like her ideas too. Not to mention she really high lighten all of the truth that the Westerns did in Asia and it made me feel really happy to have justice on our history as Asians. :)

Oh, about the demon passes infront of Spain, it was a reference from the "May anghel dumadaan kaya bumait lahat." Hehehe, although in a different vers. that is. :)
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chocopochi Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh Buttfudge! I meant " But I wouldn't agree on Spain being too loving or too "I think I'm inlove" type of thing towards PHILIPPINES. "

not Spain. So Sorry for my Bachelor of Science in Internet major in stupidity in typing. :(
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MiruzukiChan Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
And... Here's another reason:

The Philippines: Given the title 'Pearl of the Orient', The Philippines was one of the many countries that's rich in Natural Resources. What every country aims before, was to get the most natural resources (e.g.: Iron, Gold, Silver, Platinum, Nickel, etc.).

You know what I mean now, right?
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MiruzukiChan Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
OH MY GOD. I'M FILIPINO YET I DON'T KNOW MY COUNTRY (Mindanao only, right?) WAS OCCUPIED BY NETHERLANDS!! xDDD I NEED TO BE INTERESTED IN OUR AWESOME HISTORY (Especially in... -gulp- high school next year...)

//shot
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
Umm, it wasn't occupied by Netherlands. Netherlands did fight to try and take the Philippines from Spain as part of their war against Spain, but they weren't successful. ^^;
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MiruzukiChan Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Ooooooh! *Slaps myself* WHY DID I NOT KNOW THAT?!

((How dare I call myself a Filipino... :iconspainsulkplz:))
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thepagansun Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
But this Puerto Rican appreciates the shout out from her Fillipina friend! Hooray for fellow last of Spain's colonies! ;)
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Filipina friend? If you're meaning me, I ain't Filipino. I'm a New Zealander, ahaha. XDD
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thepagansun Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
Oh. Sorry about that....:(
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thepagansun Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
Hehehehe...this is cute! Yeah...I have my own issues with the fandom. Mostly how they portray Spain to be a pedo (usually I don't mind too much since people aren't really serious about it and it was played at first for the lulz but then got out of hand) and I'm especially mad at how even Hetalia so-called canon isn't that accurate either especially with Spain. He was quite aggressive and very militant (but also not as bloodthirsty as some think since they were good Spaniards too who were horrified by the atrocitied committed in the colonies)

One of the things that Hetalia "canon" states that isn't really true is that South Italy was Spain's favorite. The only thing I could think of why Himuraya might've said that is because Spain didn't use slaves in the Italies and didn't have to convert them either. But as for who his "favorites" were: probably Mexico, Peru, Chile (where he found the silver mountain) and of course Cuba (being his literal first-born and who stayed with him longest (Along with PR, Phillipines, and Guam) and who he fought the USA over and still has disagreements with USA over. My poor Puerto Rico was fairly overshadowed by Cuba even though we were with Spain for just as long and remained mostly loyal too. :( And we Latin Americans are mostly upset at the lack of representation in hetalia canon let alone the fandom. Cuba's even the only Latin American in the series...just proves how he's the favorite XD

One interesting fact I learned about the Spanish-American War is that Germany actually wanted Puerto Rico and Phillipines at the time (and had ships poised to stop the Americans but soon backed off) and assumed Spain would win but that he'd be too exhausted from fighting USA to stop Germany from claiming them anyway. Spain still ended up selling the rest of his Pacific islands to Germany anyway.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013
I don't think 'pedo' should be used even in the light-hearted sense tbh. It's a real crime and I don't think any country should be labelled as a criminal offense, you know? And well... yeah, I do wanna see more of Spain's stricter side, tbh. I think his personality works well enough for the modern day and so on, but yeah.

Personally I think Mexico may have been the main favourite, Romano aside. Spain put a lot of trust in Mexico back then, when he was known as New Spain and helped take care of colonies like the Philippines. Even though yeah, New Spain eventually went against him and became Mexico. But the purpose of New Spain taking care of the colonies was because of the distance factor - Philippines was closer to New Spain than Spain... even though Philippines stuck around for a long time, they had been fighting against Spanish rule for a long time... they just hadn't been strong enough for a lot of it to gain full independence.

And yeah, I really want to see more Latin American nations made! I have a few Latin American OCs of my own actually, so I've kinda learned a bit more and sympathise with that side of fandom... and ahaha, I already knew that stuff about Germany... though he was rather late to the game with trying to grab colonies. 8I
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thepagansun Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2013
I think so too, but...that's the problem with the whole freedom of speech thing. Just look at how many taboos shows like Family Guy has broken! I for one am of the opinion that it's either all fair game or none of it should be. Take for example, American Westerns. Most of the earlier ones were just white "Americans" killing and taking the land of Native Americans yet they get glorfied for it and it's still a fairly common and popular franchise today even abroad. :/ So..it's either ok to make fun of everything or we shouldn't be able to make fun of anything because who are we to say who or what is more important? Those are just some questions we have to deal with.

But I agree with you in the sense that people have to be careful how they use that word since they ARE countries. But most people forget that part judging by how often the fandom uses their human names. (In the manga and anime, they are NEVER called by their human names) So...I take the fandom with more than a few grains of salt.

Yeah...Spain changed a lot from the bloodthirsty, war-mongering, domineering, uber-Catholic country he once was. But although he's more tame now, I still think he can turn back into his dark side if he's pissed off enough. (Fun fact: That part of him is true in real life since I read an article about when Spain was waiting for 30 years to be admitted into NATO and the USA was actually trying to convince the other countries to let him join and long story short, the USA pretty much said {among other things of course} "We have to take into account Spanish pride, for no country however patient can be expected to wait 30 years for a decision and that most docile and patient of people are also the most volatile and proud. And if we test them too much it's only at high risk." Yes. The USA said that. :D

Well...I think Mexico was certainly one of his favorties, but Cuba was his first born and also one of the most lucrative especially towards the end because after the gold and silver of the other colonies ran out, Cuba provided slaves and sugar. And most Spaniards saw Cuba as a province not a colony which was why they were so shaken when they lost it and not to mention that it was one of the most loyal up until that point so that they even named it, "La siempre fidelissima" (The ever faithful...ironic, huh?) But I think Spain cared in its own warped way about all its colonies and truly thought that they were bringing civilization. Not that they were. But hey...if today most of us Latin Americans still consider it the "Mother Land," something must've stuck. In fact, the former president of Spain Zapatero once said this at a UN meeting while talking about increasing trips to Africa and Asia, "Half of what we are was made in America...I won't talk about the trips I plan to make to Latin America because a part of me is always there." :D That line was just so nice and shows that although they really did do some horrible stuff to us, they did care in some way.

Yup...me too! That's cool that even though you're from New Zealand, you're still interested in Latin America enough to make OCs! Awesome job! :)
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MellenAgen Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Pfft- Loving these Kawaii Ughuu's of yours Mel XP

It's so funny because It's true. I just see Spain being strict to his other colonies, so I cannot see anything happening there.
I hate bad portrayals of characters like that. It's incredibly annoying and kind of gives a bad impression on the good Piri's out there.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013
wahaha thank yooouuu~

Well, it was stated by Hima that he was pretty strict on his colonies so... 8I I really hope people's opinions are stating to change though on the OC front.
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MellenAgen Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
No Problem! ;D

Yeah, so even Hima has Stated it anyway!
Me too! I wish people had an opinion change on them. To a more positive one that is!
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NerdyJones Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Omg, I can't. really ;3333; asudauydhasu my babbuu <3!
also..Im dying.
"2. the 'Philippines was mistaken for a boy by Spain' headcanon. Wow, let's just take Hungary's backstory and Chibitalia's backstory and mash them together? ORIGINAL DESU!!! No, Spain is not stupid."
/clap Clap, FINALLYYYYY. :iconfinallyplz:

4. Stop making Romano jealous of your Philippines. He's canonly jealous of his brother North Italy. He doesn't need to be jealous of your silly mary sue, thank you. Give the poor kid a break.

I love you so much. really. ;w;
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
ahahaha yep, she's a little cutie~ ;u;

and I'm glad you agree, ahaha C: ilu2<3
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dinosaurusgede Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So agree with you Mel #nods

Kawaii Philippines and Papa Spain just.. ha..ha.. ^^;
Kinds of sad when Kawaii Philippines regard Spain as her Papa and forgets her real parents and siblings in SEA. Definitely hurts more when Kawaii Philippines claimed she's the "orphan of Asia" or claimed that she feels "aliniated with the rest of Asia" or that she's the "Mexico of Asia". Philippines, open your eyes! You got history with the rest of SEA too long before colonization! Spanish colonization is not all your history, you have great history of your Kingdoms to tell too!

Philippines has lost many of her culture through forced assimilation of Spanish culture. Don't forget the Encomidia (did I spell that right?) system which requires Filipin@s to work for Spain's project without being paid for several months. Oh and the Spanish certificate of Pure Blood Ancestory. Definitely not a fond memories of Spanish colonization for Philippines ^^;

Spain is more interested in getting China's goods and Indonesia's spices. Plus Asia is a good outlet for Spanish (more like Mexico's) silver surplus that created silver inflation in the Spain. Spain was never good at managing his economy during the reign of Philip 2/3/4 so an Asian market in demands of silver is a very good thin. That's why Spain target Philippines. Plus Indonesia's nutmegs were needed for curing the Black Plague ^^; now I feel sorry for Spain,
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
ah, thank you!

And I agree. It feels like people forget too much that she has a real history before the Spanish colonisation. And I am so sick of seeing that too! She was not alienated, for goodness sake! There are multiple sides to her history and it's a shame to see it portrayed in such a shallow light.

And yeah, I remember reading up on some of that. Honestly, with Spain and America's colonisations, it's not wonder Philippines' history prior to them is more vague. Spain really did force his culture around, and America can get quite biased at times with its writings of history. Also I don't know much about American history prior to its own colonisers either. There's a huge colonial focus with those two countries. 8/

And yeah, Spain had reasons for setting foot in the Philippines. Colonisers benefitted more from colonisation than their colonies - and it's a shame when people act as though colonisation was one happy family taking a walk in the park. 8/
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Rukama Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013  Student
Hi--yes, sorry..aah. Please don't take this the wrong way! I just wanted to say this, haha.

Sorry, but--I don't think anyone has the power to set the standard as to how an OC country should be...? Being that everyone has their own portrayal, I don't think it's right to complain about the way others showcase their OCs of Piri. Some points may be good for others, but bad for some. Either way, these are all merely opinionated. So I'm sure you know that there isn't a rule that says 'Piri should be like this, or that'.

Also--these things aren't decided by the 'fanbase' as it is. To each his own, after all. I mean--there isn't even a canon Piri to begin with--being that if such were the case, then maybe then complaints like these would be completely understandable.

I'm just worried about those who might feel affected about this considering how these things were after all, created by other artists---who have their own OCs. And I'm sure they only meant their headcanons to only apply to their OCs. I really don't see what's wrong with that. The Heta-PH fandom works as one, after all. I don't think it's wrong accepting things either.

And I think criticizing the way some inexperienced artists portray their OC might be a little too much... Ahh, sorry! I'm afraid others might get offended, is all. And the last thing the world needs is a fight, so I really hope you don't take it the wrong way! ^^ Your OC is lovely since I can really tell you really go into the details with the history and such. Keep up the good work~
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2013
I'm not saying there's a rule and that people have to follow my points. People are fine to go for their own portrayals, but when people start going for false history and whatnot, that's when you get bashing of OCs. I know how people can get over their OC being bashed, and I knew quite a few of the reasons why this was. Also I have spoken to Pinoys who are genuinely offended by these bad portrayals and want the PH OC fandom to have a better reputation. Don't think of it as me bashing, I am merely critiquing. And this is the internet - I am perfectly entitled to critique and spread such an opinion. And likewise, people have the right to either take my points and learn from them, or flat-out ignore them. And honestly, I was glad that I saw critiques happening to other people before it happened to me. I'm glad that I was taught to do my research.

It's not as much disagreeing with some of these headcanons - but disagreeing with how they are utilised, how they are applied. I'm sure for example that there are perfectly good explanations for why Philippines might choose to dress as a boy, but most of the time people don't appear to have very logical explanations for it. And I've seen a lot of PH OC fandom follow certain headcanons blindly - I'm saying they don't necessarily have to. I'd love to see people do their research and come up with logical explanations for the headcanons they come up with. I'm allowed to want that. I wish all OCs did that - I know they don't, but I can at least encourage it.

And people are free to get offended by this. I don't care, I'm not taking back a single word. I know I'm critiquing some popular headcanons, but I am allowed to disagree with them and explain why. I'm not saying people are stupid for following these headcanons, I am critiquing the headcanons themselves. But so far, I've had lots of agreements and when people disagreed with certain points, I've only had friendly little debates with them. No fight has started at all, so no need to worry. ^^
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Rukama Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013  Student
No, of course not! But I suppose most people might be under the impression that you are setting some kind of norm. Especially the way you said it--but I'm not one to complain. Regardless--people of the fandom may still have their own interpretations of Philippine history. You can't really blame them for not having them see it in one person's point of view.

Hetalia itself was not /solely/ based on pure, factual history as well. Himaruya was just one to show his portrayal of it, and say--let's consider them canon and you might say, this is the definite norm. But with Philippines? Everyone is just showing their way of how their Piri OC should be. In its purest sense, there are no standards to it, regardless of it's accuracy--or its inaccuracy to history. That's just how the way some people work and I think it's unfair to have them criticized in such a way that you make them regret what they do.

I don't see what's wrong having headcanons like 'Romano's jealous of Piri," or "Her hair was cut during one point of her life". I'm sorry, but they're not as ridiculous as what masses would commonly agree to such as crack pairings and the like. Given that they have historical inaccuracies, but who on earth are we to say how things should have been? You can't really expect people to do their research just so they won't have to be treated like this. Also--these may apply to the typical anime tropes--and I can say for sure Hetalia has many of these in contrast to their interpretation of history.

I think it would be better to see these--critiques in a different perspective. People who have made these headcanons do not have anything against things like these, I'm sure--but please don't give them reason to. So long as Piri isn't canon in the anime, there are no 'right' or 'wrong' headcanons. Oh--and thanks as well. I'm glad you're not taking it the wrong way.
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melonstyle Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2013
If people want to have that impression, so be it. And if people want to have their own interpretations, Himaruya included, they can. I may have had harsher wording in the original description and I may reword it at a time when I'm less sleepy, but I am making a point that there are portrayals that can be considered 'bad'. And by bad, it can mean offensive and honestly, there are a lot of people who will be offended by certain portrayals. If you've read the other comments, there are people who have had the free will to agree and disagree with my points here and there, but I've found that a lot of people agree. And honestly, you can think it's unfair if I'm 'criticising', but that isn't going to stop me from doing it. That isn't going to stop other people from doing it.

And for the record, even I can find arguments for why the haircut headcanon could work or others could work. Not the Romano jealousy thing though, I'm not feeling a need to reason it and that's my opinion on it. But I'm presenting the reasons that people usually give for these headcanons and critiquing them. I don't expect people to be totally 100% accurate either. I know I'm not, but I do like to research things. I don't expect that people will do their research - yes, I wish for it strongly, I really wish some fans cared a bit more. But yes, you can say things like 'there are no right or wrong headcanons', but that doesn't mean I won't argue a particular side, nor will anyone else.

Ultimately, I'm just presenting a side that is often viewed in a negative light by people around the fandom. What people do when seeing this is ultimately up to them. It may not be to everyone's tastes and I'm okay with that. I'm happy you've taken your time out to argue for a time side and I do find your point of view valid.
Sorry if I've offended you in some way with my point of view. I know that when I feel passionately about a topic, I don't bother to sugarcoat things. And yes, I do feel strongly about the bad reputations I've seen for Philippines OCs. I feel badly when I see people label all of them as 'Sues'. I know my OC's not a Sue and I know many others that aren't and I know they shouldn't be lumped together in such a category. But unfortunately, I also have seen plenty that are and many of these have certain things in common. I wanted to critique those things, so I did. And I'm not the only one who has. Idk if you've seen :iconcoolsk8tergurl123:'s comic addressed to Hetalia fandom, but it also critiques certain portrayals that people have done of Philippines OCs.
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